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    ant_in_wales

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    Hello
    My HD Fox T2 is set to multi-channel output, and I am getting 5.1 sound (to Yamaha amp) from C4 HD and mp4 files copied to HDD.
    But BBC1 HD or BBC2 HD channels only transmit in 2.0.

    I suspect this isn't a problem with the Humxax but with the BBC, and wondered if anyone knew anything
    Thanks very much
    Tony

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 11:23:12 #1 |
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    The vast majority of program's are only broadcast in 2.0.
    Currently I am only aware that Doctor Who is broadcast with 5.1 surround, I'm not really sure if any other program's are.

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 11:28:31 #2 |
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    Thanks Gonzo
    As a fan of Doctor Who, I know that is only broadcasting in 2.0 to me.
    So. If it's working as 5.1 for you, I wonder why it isn't for me.
    Transmitter? Might Blaenplwyf be the problem?

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 11:59:26 #3 |
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    Dr Who is definitely in 5.1 on satellite. I haven't recorded it on any of my Freeview-HD boxes. I will do so next time it's on. I do have one 5.1 recording on one of my HSR FOX T2's, it's the original BBC-HD Test card and 5.1 audio test broadcast from the daily demo loop.

    Note the audio actually transmitted and recorded is aac 2.0 or 5.1. The box transcodes to ac3 on output.

    The BBC has problems with it's current 5.1 encoders with periodic audio dropouts, that may well be the reason so little content is in 5.1.

    I would be very surprised if the Saturday BBC2-HD broadcast of The Last Night Of The Proms isn't in 5.1.

    I have set both Dr Who and the Proms on a HDR FOX T2 so watch this space

    Dr Who from satellite audio details

    Audio
    ID : 4352 (0x1100)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Format settings, Endianness : Big
    Codec ID : 6
    Duration : 1h 18mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 384 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Delay relative to video : -661ms
    Stream size : 215 MiB (6%)
    Language : English

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 12:53:14 #4 |
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    Thanks Graham
    I shall watch that exact space
    Doctor Who needs that sub-woofer boom, especially in the languid opener to Capaldi's reign.

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 13:16:45 #5 |
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    ant_in_wales - 22 minutes ago  » 
    Thanks Graham
    I shall watch that exact space
    Doctor Who needs that sub-woofer boom, especially in the languid opener to Capaldi's reign.

    Your subwoofer should work with 2.0 I imagine. For a stereo source it will be down to the crossover settings set in the amplifier for the main speakers to the subwoofer. Where a separate lfe channel is present at a guess the cross over frequencies are simply not used. All 6 channels go down to 20Hz.

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 13:42:23 #6 |
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    grahamlthompson - 3 hours ago  » The BBC has problems with it's current 5.1 encoders with periodic audio dropouts, that may well be the reason so little content is in 5.1.

    I haven't experienced any of those dropouts for some time (actually my amp switching away from then back to 5.1 mode momentarily) so I assumed it had been sorted? I had forgotten about it until I recently got round to playing an older recording.

    | Tue 9 Sep 2014 16:05:43 #7 |
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    ant_in_wales - 1 day ago  » 
    As a fan of Doctor Who, I know that is only broadcasting in 2.0 to me.
    So. If it's working as 5.1 for you, I wonder why it isn't for me.
    Transmitter? Might Blaenplwyf be the problem?

    My freeview HD Dr Who audio is a mixed bag but mainly 5.1. Last weekend's Dr Who was 5.1 but the weekend before was 2.0. Both were recorded from the same HD channel, from the same transmitter, on the same Humax freeview+ HD box.

    Transmitter: Sudbury
    name: Doctor Who_20140830_1929.ts
    Audio #1
    ID .................. : 6602 (0x19CA)
    Menu ID ............. : 17540 (0x4484)
    Format .............. : AAC
    Format/Info ......... : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile ...... : LC
    Muxing mode ......... : LATM
    Codec ID............. : 17
    Duration............. : 48mn 51s
    Bit rate mode ....... : Variable
    Channel(s) .......... : 2 channels
    Channel positions ... : Front: L R
    Sampling rate ....... : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode..... : Lossy

    Transmitter: Sudbury
    name: Doctor Who_20140906_1931.ts
    Audio #1
    ID .................. : 6602 (0x19CA)
    Menu ID ............. : 17540 (0x4484)
    Format .............. : AAC
    Format/Info ......... : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile ...... : LC
    Muxing mode ......... : LATM
    Codec ID............. : 17
    Duration............. : 47mn 53s
    Bit rate mode ....... : Variable
    Channel(s) .......... : 6 channels
    Channel positions ... : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate ....... : 48.0 KHz
    Compression mode .... : Lossy

    The Doctor Who series for last year was 5.1 for the ones that I looked at. I am not 100% sure but they were probably from Sudbury as well.

    However although the 3D Day of the Doctor and its repeat was 5.1, the normal HD Day of the Doctor was 2.0. These were all probably recorded from Crystal Palace.

    grahamlthompson - 23 hours ago  » 
    I would be very surprised if the Saturday BBC2-HD broadcast of The Last Night Of The Proms isn't in 5.1.

    Going back to 2013 Dr Who at the Proms HD was 2.0.
    (I probably used Crystal Palace for that.)

    | Wed 10 Sep 2014 13:03:17 #8 |
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    Ah - I didn't see last week's.
    If we can all have a look what it broadcasts this week I'd be very grateful.
    Thank you all for your help
    Tony

    | Wed 10 Sep 2014 13:08:33 #9 |
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    can't comment on bbc1HD, but the repeat Dr Who on bbc3HD is definitely 5.1 on my hdrfoxT2

    | Wed 10 Sep 2014 21:02:43 #10 |

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