I thought this may be the appropriate place to create this topic....
I was always a 'Freeview' person rather than Freesat (I don't subscribe to any TV services) and having moved to a new area 3+ years ago satellite TV was the only option so invested in a second hand HDR1000/1010s.
I hear so many people rave about the 'old foxsat'....
can anyone shed any light on the main differences as I'd never heard of foxsat previous
Thanks.
Foxsat-HDR Twin Tuner same as the HDR-1000S. Similar two channel recording and third channel viewing. The 1000S though adds time shifting capability to the the third watched channels under any recording circumstances. On a Foxsat you can only time shift the 3rd channel when the two recordings are from the same transponder. You can't record the time shift buffer on a Foxsat, you can on a 1000S. Virtually no on demand recording (ITV player still works) or external media playback using a Foxsat (without using the free custom firmware), the 1000S has extensive catch up and can play back external content both by streaming from other kit and from usb.
Both are capable of using both tuners on a single cable, the Foxsat though requires a external patch cable (tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in). The 1000S has an automatic internal link enabled on setup with a single cable.
Foxsat-HDR is much more versatile when used in non-freesat mode than the 1000S, there is no recording capability for non-freesat mode on a 1000S. The Foxsat allows manual recording (and manual timers with the Custom Firmware).
Picture quality on a 1000S is noticeably superior to a Foxsat (With the CF you can stream Foxsat recordings to the 1000S improving the picture quality in the process).
Foxsat-HDR allows archiving of recordings to USB (and playback from usb). No recording export at all on a 1000S.
The Foxsat-HDR's real ace in the hole is the custom firmware add on which adds many features, too many to talk about here. If you want more info the software is hosted on the AV Forums site.
Brilliant answer thanks.
Couple of points though, my box wont allow to record a channel and watch another with only 1 cable, and most certainly wont allow us to record two and watch a third? unless by third you mean a previously recorded program?
On another note, with the 'Non-Freesat' channels, how exactly does this work? I tried to play with it when I first had the box but quickly gave up.
Mogs84 - 1 hour ago »
Brilliant answer thanks.
Couple of points though, my box wont allow to record a channel and watch another with only 1 cable, and most certainly wont allow us to record two and watch a third? unless by third you mean a previously recorded program?
On another note, with the 'Non-Freesat' channels, how exactly does this work? I tried to play with it when I first had the box but quickly gave up.
Something wrong with your setup if you can't record two and watch a third (this is subject to some restrictions).
Try this assuming you have a English Postcode and aren't using a single tuner HB model.
Tap in 106 to goto BBC1 HD and press the record button, tap in 102 to goto BBC2 HD and press the record button a second time. Select any available third channel while viewing by using the programme up/down button, or by entering a channel number from the following list (other than ITV regions you don't have) press pause to prove you have live pause etc. View for 10 or 15 mins.
List of available 3rd channels for this combination
121 Channel 4 + 1
122 E4
123 E4 + 1
124 More4
975 Channel 4 + 1
103 ITV
113 ITV2
117 ITV4
118 ITVBe
155 ITV4+1
602 CITV
977 ITV London
103 ITV London
103 ITV Granada
103 ITV Anglia East
103 ITV Central West
101 BBC One W Mid
201 BBC Parliament
703 BBC Radio 3
704 BBC Radio 4 FM
707 BBC 6Music
708 BBC Radio 4 Ex
710 BBC Radio 4 LW
711 BBC World Sv
712 BBC R Scotland
713 BBC RnGaidheal
714 BBC R Wales
715 BBC R Cymru
716 BBC R Ulster
717 BBCRadioFoyle
952 BBC One E Mid
953 BBC One East E
963 BBC One W Mid
964 BBC One Wales
967 BBC One Yk&Li
971 BBC Two Wales
212 BBC NEWS
607 CBBC
957 BBC One NI
958 BBC One Oxford
961 BBC One South
962 BBC One S West
969 BBC Two NI
102 BBC Two HD
106 BBC One HD
600 CBBC HD
972 BBC One HD
978 BBC One NI HD
115 ITV3
116 ITV3+1
731 talkSPORT
112 STV East + 1
103 STV North
103 STV Central West
103 STV Central East
112 ITV Granada + 1
103 ITV Channel TV
111 STV HD
111 ITV HD
111 ITV London HD
111 ITV Granada HD
111 ITV Meridian South HD
111 ITV Central West HD
111 ITV HD Anglia East
111 ITV HD Yorkshire West
127 4seven
206 RT HD
209 NHK WORLD HD
214 Arirang TV
692 Revelation
694 GOD Channel
142 True Ent
153 True Ent+ 1
154 true ent
302 True Movies
303 True Movies +1
500 Chart Show TV
501 The Vault
502 ChartShow Hits
504 Starz TV
603 POP
605 Tiny Pop
604 Kix
606 POP +1
609 POP MAX
134 CBS Drama
136 CBS Reality +1
139 horror ch+1
135 CBS Reality
137 CBS Action
138 horror channel
693 ISLAM CHANNEL
695 Sonlife TV
809 TJC
143 True Crime
148 Food Network
149 Food Network+1
156 PBS America
157 YourTV
205 France 24
811 Craft Extra
870 BABESTATION
210 CNBC
503 B4U Music
306 TalkingPics TV
806 JML Direct
161 SHOWCASE
693 ISLAM CHANNEL
695 Sonlife TV
809 TJC
815 Thane
790 TWR
511 VIVA
158 Drama
159 Yesterday
160 Really
144 PICK
145 PICK +1
202 Sky News
164 COMMUNITY
Bring up the recordings list and stop one of the two BBC recordings. Exit to 3rd viewed channel and press instant record. Now look at the recordings list, you should find a ongoing recording of the 3rd channel from the time you switched to view it.
Can you post if this works or not. If it doesn't you may need to do a factory reset.
I wouldn't bother with non-freesat there's very little worth watching on 28.2E that isn't already available in Freesat mode.
http://en.kingofsat.net/freqs.php?&pos=28.2E&standard=All&ordre=freq&filtre=Clear
If you find any in the above list make a note of the transponder details and ask how to add it to non-freesat mode.
Welsh postcode if that makes a difference.
I'll give that a go when I get a chance, however the box has had quite a few factory resets over the last year in an effort to fix what was a failing HDD, and to my knowledge its not worked.
Just had a quick check and get a message saying "Cannot change channel while recording"
however if I select up or down channel it seems to work but only on some channels.
So I assume not all channels work as a third channel?
Mogs84 - 12 hours ago »
Just had a quick check and get a message saying "Cannot change channel while recording"
however if I select up or down channel it seems to work but only on some channels.
So I assume not all channels work as a third channel?
It depends entirely on the two channels you elect to record. Of course having a single cable is more restricted than having two.
Unlike terrestrial the tuner sends control signals to the lnb. When you use only a single cable only tuner 1 has control of the lnb.
There is two frequency bands (Low/High) and two polarisations Horizontal and Vertical. This means the lnb can be switched into one of four modes.
Low Band Horizontal (LBH)
Low Band Vertical (LBV)
High Band Horizontal (HBH)
High Band Vertical (HBV)
In single cable mode Tuner 2 can only use channels that are on transponders matching the mode tuner 1 has switched the lnb to.
If both recordings are from the same transponder then both recordings are handled by tuner 1 leaving tuner 2 free to show any channel matching the mode.
If from different transponders then you can watch any 3rd channel sharing a transponder with either recording.
More info and the data you need to follow the above here.
https://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what-can-i-record-and-watch-using-1-or-2-cables
Mogs84 - 14 hours ago »
Welsh postcode if that makes a difference.
I'll give that a go when I get a chance, however the box has had quite a few factory resets over the last year in an effort to fix what was a failing HDD, and to my knowledge its not worked.
Yes your postcode does make a difference your BBC 1 HD Wales (106) is on a different transponder to BBC2 - HD (102). Record BBC 1 HD on 972 instead of 106.
107 BBC Four HD 11023 H
200 BBC NEWS HD 11023 H
601 CBeebies HD 11023 H
973 BBC One ScotHD 11023 H
976 BBC One Wal HD 11023 H
102 BBC Two HD 10847 V
106 BBC One HD 10847 V
600 CBBC HD 10847 V
972 BBC One HD 10847 V
978 BBC One NI HD 10847 V
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