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    The chancellor is planning to announce in Wednesday's Budget the BBC will have to meet the cost of free TV licences for over-75s, BBC News understands.

    George Osborne wants the BBC to have "a strong future" but told the Andrew Marr Show that the corporation should make a "contribution" towards the deficit.

    The Sunday Times reported the move will cost the BBC £650m.

    It is also understood the BBC and government are in talks over charging for use of the iPlayer.

    This could recoup some of the cost of funding free licences for over-75s.

    It would involve changing the law so that people who watch TV via the iPlayer and other online catch-up services would have to have a TV licence.

    Currently the licence fee does not cover these digital services.

    From BBC News

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    The BBC is to cover the cost of providing free television licences for over-75s, the government has confirmed.
    Culture Secretary John Whittingdale told MPs the changes would be phased in from 2018-19 with the corporation bearing the full cost by 2020-21.
    He said, in return, the government will bring forward new rules on paying to use catch-up services like iPlayer.

    From BBC News

    | Mon 6 Jul 2015 16:56:35 #2 |
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    So how will iPlayer usage be charged for?

    Those with no licence will presumably have to register and pay by card, as with any other paid-for streaming service.

    And those of us who have a licence? Will we still get iPlayer for free? Will we get any catchup for free?

    | Mon 6 Jul 2015 17:08:19 #3 |
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    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    | Mon 6 Jul 2015 17:15:41 #4 |
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    True, the rationale for the licence fee has been getting weaker ever since a commercial franchise ceased to be a licence to print money. By clinging to the fee for so long past its sell-by date, the BBC has left itself exposed to this kind of gradual erosion of income.

    | Mon 6 Jul 2015 17:39:30 #5 |
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    gomezz - 14 hours ago  » 
    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    The licence fee is excellent value for money. The sooner it is extended to the freeloaders who claim they only use iPlayer cough cough the better.

    | Tue 7 Jul 2015 7:48:27 #6 |
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    Faust - 22 minutes ago  » 

    gomezz - 14 hours ago  » 
    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    The licence fee is excellent value for money.

    It is indeed. Such good value it's left the BBC a sitting duck for further cuts in both income and control. And as the BBC is the lead representative of UK PBS broadcasting, and indeed the whole of FTA broadcasting, this is not good news for FTA viewers, regardless of whether they get their TV OTA or by catchup.

    | Tue 7 Jul 2015 8:19:56 #7 |
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    gomezz - 14 hours ago  » 
    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    The licence fee is excellent value for money.

    It is indeed. Such good value it's left the BBC a sitting duck for further cuts in both income and control. And as the BBC is the lead representative of UK PBS broadcasting, and indeed the whole of FTA broadcasting, this is not good news for FTA viewers, regardless of whether they get their TV OTA or by catchup.

    Maybe not. However, the BBC themselves have reported an expanding black hole in their finances as people catch on to the no licence fee if you watch it on catchup wheeze.

    This loop hole has to be closed and quickly.

    | Tue 7 Jul 2015 10:07:43 #8 |
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    gomezz - 14 hours ago  » 
    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    The licence fee is excellent value for money.

    It is indeed. Such good value it's left the BBC a sitting duck for further cuts in both income and control. And as the BBC is the lead representative of UK PBS broadcasting, and indeed the whole of FTA broadcasting, this is not good news for FTA viewers, regardless of whether they get their TV OTA or by catchup.

    Maybe not. However, the BBC themselves have reported an expanding black hole in their finances as people catch on to the no licence fee if you watch it on catchup wheeze.
    This loop hole has to be closed and quickly.

    According to Steve Hewlett it's not that simple:

    Meanwhile, the newly forecast £150m licence fee revenue shortfall was explained as being primarily a consequence of people exploiting the so-called “iPlayer loophole”: households claiming to watch only “catch-up” on-demand TV, and therefore not legally required to have a TV licence which is only necessary if you watch or record (any) TV as it is broadcast. On further inquiry the BBC was not able to give me any specific data to support this contention. All they actually know is that their previous estimate of the number of households predicted to buy a TV licence is now likely to fall.

    The point of this part of the BBC’s announcement and the way it was expressed – in the very week of the decision to take BBC3 online-only – was two-fold. First, it wants to persuade the government that the legislation behind the licence fee needs modernising to take account of new forms of consumption – much of it promoted and pioneered by the BBC itself with its online and mobile offerings – all of which might be expected to make the problem worse. In other words, it hopes to close the “iPlayer loophole”. New culture secretary John Whittingdale is known to agree but the question of how to frame a licence requirement for all online catch-up viewing – should it include Netflix or YouTube? – is altogether trickier. The obvious answer would be to make BBC iPlayer access dependent on owning a TV licence but executives won’t go there, fearing the thin end of a subscription-funding wedge.


    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/05/bbc-cuts-job-losses-revenue-shortfall

    He goes on to say:

    But the other key aim behind revealing the projected £150m shortfall is to try to ward off any of the mooted suggestions for either reducing the level of the licence fee directly or of adding significantly to what the BBC is required to pay for. Off the back of a licence fee frozen since 2010 with hundreds of millions required to be spent on S4C, broadband rollout, World Service etc – amounting, Hall said recently, to a 26% cut in resources for its UK domestic public services – the BBC is rightly fearful of further costly incursions. Paying for over-75s’ licence fees instead of the government – £700m now and rising fast as the population ages – would, the BBC reckons, herald a catastrophe. From which only public affection and politicians’ fear of a backlash can save it. Which, to return to the start of the story, is why the BBC desperately needs to seize control of the “efficiency narrative” without which its enemies can, and no doubt will, make further cuts to its funding sound like a good thing.

    Said catastrophe has since been confirmed, though with some significant sweeteners, apparently. Hewlett was on BBC News yesterday saying it could have been a lot worse. Time will tell.

    | Tue 7 Jul 2015 10:17:03 #9 |
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    gomezz - 14 hours ago  » 
    They really need to bite the bullet, scrap the licence fee and fund the BBC from general taxation. Gone are the days when only a fortunate few could afford to buy and watch a TV so it seemed to make sense then to have them pay for the privilege but not that reasoning no longer holds water.

    The licence fee is excellent value for money.

    It is indeed. Such good value it's left the BBC a sitting duck for further cuts in both income and control. And as the BBC is the lead representative of UK PBS broadcasting, and indeed the whole of FTA broadcasting, this is not good news for FTA viewers, regardless of whether they get their TV OTA or by catchup.

    Maybe not. However, the BBC themselves have reported an expanding black hole in their finances as people catch on to the no licence fee if you watch it on catchup wheeze.
    This loop hole has to be closed and quickly.

    According to Steve Hewlett it's not that simple:

    Meanwhile, the newly forecast £150m licence fee revenue shortfall was explained as being primarily a consequence of people exploiting the so-called “iPlayer loophole”: households claiming to watch only “catch-up” on-demand TV, and therefore not legally required to have a TV licence which is only necessary if you watch or record (any) TV as it is broadcast. On further inquiry the BBC was not able to give me any specific data to support this contention. All they actually know is that their previous estimate of the number of households predicted to buy a TV licence is now likely to fall.
    The point of this part of the BBC’s announcement and the way it was expressed – in the very week of the decision to take BBC3 online-only – was two-fold. First, it wants to persuade the government that the legislation behind the licence fee needs modernising to take account of new forms of consumption – much of it promoted and pioneered by the BBC itself with its online and mobile offerings – all of which might be expected to make the problem worse. In other words, it hopes to close the “iPlayer loophole”. New culture secretary John Whittingdale is known to agree but the question of how to frame a licence requirement for all online catch-up viewing – should it include Netflix or YouTube? – is altogether trickier. The obvious answer would be to make BBC iPlayer access dependent on owning a TV licence but executives won’t go there, fearing the thin end of a subscription-funding wedge.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/05/bbc-cuts-job-losses-revenue-shortfall
    He goes on to say:
    But the other key aim behind revealing the projected £150m shortfall is to try to ward off any of the mooted suggestions for either reducing the level of the licence fee directly or of adding significantly to what the BBC is required to pay for. Off the back of a licence fee frozen since 2010 with hundreds of millions required to be spent on S4C, broadband rollout, World Service etc – amounting, Hall said recently, to a 26% cut in resources for its UK domestic public services – the BBC is rightly fearful of further costly incursions. Paying for over-75s’ licence fees instead of the government – £700m now and rising fast as the population ages – would, the BBC reckons, herald a catastrophe. From which only public affection and politicians’ fear of a backlash can save it. Which, to return to the start of the story, is why the BBC desperately needs to seize control of the “efficiency narrative” without which its enemies can, and no doubt will, make further cuts to its funding sound like a good thing.

    Said catastrophe has since been confirmed, though with some significant sweeteners, apparently. Hewlett was on BBC News yesterday saying it could have been a lot worse. Time will tell.

    We appear to live in an age where people love to complicate the uncomplicated. If you own a TV or any mobile device capable of receiving/watching iPlayer then you require a TV licence.

    Surely that's how it used to be with the addition of Internet devices - job done. Perhaps I should be at the BBC.

    Netflix et al or other similar services could be levied through their individual business model etc.

    | Tue 7 Jul 2015 12:54:07 #10 |

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