Copy to USB without subtitles?

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Copy to USB without subtitles?

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Kentishduffer

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When I copy recordings from the internal HDD to a USB stick they have subtitles 'on'. Is there any way to turn them off when copying to USB?

| Tue 22 Dec 2015 15:58:03 #1 |
grahamlthompson

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Being able to turn the subtitle data on and off would normally be down to whatever software you are using to play back an exported file. I don't have the box but it may be possible to strip out the subtitle stream from the recording if there is no option to turn it off.

If you could download MediaInfo and open the file in it and select stream view and export this data to a text file to see what exactly the file has within it, I may be able to suggest a way to remove the data, if you post the text data.

https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

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| Tue 22 Dec 2015 16:47:15 #2 |
Kentishduffer

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Thanks for the reply but it can't be a PC software problem as the subtitles are there when I play back the file on the Humax box...!
(No subtitles on the original, but subtitles on the copy)!

| Tue 22 Dec 2015 20:14:16 #3 |
BB

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Press the subtitles button on the remote when playing the copy?

| Tue 22 Dec 2015 21:01:10 #4 |
grahamlthompson

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Kentishduffer - 13 hours ago »
Thanks for the reply but it can't be a PC software problem as the subtitles are there when I play back the file on the Humax box...!
(No subtitles on the original, but subtitles on the copy)!

That's why I asked you to post the actual file details. I suppose it's possible thst the subtitles are superimposed on the video data during copying. Seems unlikely as no one else has posted this before. The audio and video data from MediaInfo would confirm this one way or the other. I will grab a file from a HDR FOX T2 and post an example.

| Wed 23 Dec 2015 9:18:52 #5 |
grahamlthompson

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Here's the simplified data from a SD Freeview file.

Video
ID : 101 (0x65)
Menu ID : 4165 (0x1045)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1mn 22s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 183 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 15.0 Mbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Letterbox 16:9 image, with alternative 14:9 center
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.314
Stream size : 31.4 MiB (86%)

Audio #1
ID : 102 (0x66)
Menu ID : 4165 (0x1045)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -603ms
Stream size : 2.56 MiB (7%)
Language : English
descriptor_tag_extension : 6

Audio #2
ID : 106 (0x6A)
Menu ID : 4165 (0x1045)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -411ms
Stream size : 653 KiB (2%)
Language : English
Language, more info : Visual impaired commentary
descriptor_tag_extension : 6

Text
ID : 105 (0x69)
Menu ID : 4165 (0x1045)
Format : DVB Subtitle
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 1mn 21s
Delay relative to video : 2s 26ms
Language : English

Note there is one video track, two audio tracks (the second is for Audio Description) and a DVB subtitle track.

Here is the same file with the AD audio track and the DVB subtitle track removed using TSMuxerGUI.

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Format settings, picture structure : Frame
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1mn 22s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 464 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 15.0 Mbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Active Format Description : Letterbox 16:9 image, with alternative 14:9 center
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.243
Stream size : 24.3 MiB (85%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 4
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -481ms
Stream size : 2.56 MiB (9%)
Language : English

The second file can not possibly hve subtitles (or Audio Description) as the data is removed.

| Wed 23 Dec 2015 9:42:02 #6 |
Barry

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Never had this issue copying SD and HD to a 1TB usb HDD (ntfs format)

Will try a 128Gb pendrive and report later

Copy to a 128Gb pendrive failed, and unit cannot format either?

What size pendrive are you using?

| Wed 23 Dec 2015 11:08:51 #7 |
Kentishduffer

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BB Subtitle button has no effect!

Barry I am using a 32Gb stick

Graham Here's the file. There doesn't seem to be any text or AD.

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Alan\Desktop\DVD_PAL\Jungle_Book_20151206_1725[1]_mpeg2video.mpg
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 2.62 GiB
Duration : 1h 39mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 3 759 Kbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : No
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : N=15
Duration : 1h 39mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 556 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 000 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.343
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00:00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed : Open
Stream size : 2.48 GiB (95%)

Audio
ID : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : DVD-Video
Duration : 1h 39mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Frame rate : 31.250 fps (1536 spf)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -5ms
Stream size : 91.4 MiB (3%)

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| Wed 23 Dec 2015 16:35:10 #8 |
grahamlthompson

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Thanks, I take it that's from the tree view option. Very strange, can you try a 16:9 SD copy from a programme with subtitles to see if you can reproduce, especially as Barry can replay without subtitles. What are you using to replay the content, and if a PC/MAC what media player software ?

Something very fishy. Freeview does not normally use ac3 audio, so if from a FVP4000T SD programme it should be Mpeg1 Layer 2.

Which channel was it recorded from ?

Freeview-HD uses AAC not AC3.

| Wed 23 Dec 2015 16:49:25 #9 |
Barry

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A few examples of the audio tree from SD recordings:

Eggheads

Audio
ID : 302 (0x12E)
Menu ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 21mn 34s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels

Cue the Queen

Audio #1
ID : 102 (0x66)
Menu ID : 4162 (0x1042)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 3mn 30s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels

Riders of Berk

Audio
ID : 302 (0x12E)
Menu ID : 4608 (0x1200)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 21mn 34s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels

I've tried a few Pendrives, none will format, and whilst it appears to copy programmes to them, it does not.

| Wed 23 Dec 2015 17:25:13 #10 |