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    bill63 - 10 minutes ago  » 
    I am saying I have got the 4000T, so I know what I am on about. But in your last post you said, Or it may not be the loopthrough - see Graham's post above. Thats what got me as we are talking about it, and I am saying it seems strange that the 4000T as the same problem with signal to the TV.

    Yes, it sounds like the same problem in both models, and very likely the same cause, but what exactly is the cause has not yet been determined. Two possibilities - a bit of experimenting needed to see which fits.

    | Thu 18 Feb 2016 12:07:48 #21 |
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    Faust - 12 minutes ago  » 
    The loop-thru fix works when the Humax is switched off as expected. However, when the box is brought out of standby it then cuts the signal to the TV (different input, TVs own DVB tuner in operation).
    That happens with or without a HDMI cable so cannot be a handshake issue. This should not happen and would suggest the loop-thru fix is deficient in some way.

    If you have a scart cable connected the box will auto select the scart input on boot. Have you tried it with just a CVBS cable or a doctored scart cable?

    It knocks the Panasonic TV signal out without a HDMI cable being connected Graham - the only connection is the RF lead so not sure why scart would make a difference. Besides, our TV does not have a scart. I've probably got any number of composite video cables but again not sure how this would assist.
    This was only an experiment as I don't have any issues in reality as I use a passive splitter. However, something with pass-thru has changed as previously simply firing up the Humax would not knock out the signal when using Panasonic DVB tuner - it's all very strange.

    I suspect it must be a hardware issue. As regard the other issue Humax boxes are known to pulse pin 13 on a scart cable when waking up to make a recording (and also power the hdmi, presumably at the same time). If you are watching the TV tuner, and your box has a scart connection your picture disappears for a short period. There is therefore a possibility that this could be construed as loss of rf. Same happens on TV's that have auto scart selection based on hdmi port activity.

    Yes, our old Panasonic PX60 had AV1 auto select - used to find that quite handy when we wanted the Sky box on.

    The only issue I have encountered with the passive splitter is with 530 MHz CH (68) range of channels. Panasonic rates quality for 0 to 10 and all channels on that frequency are pretty low. In fact 'Yesterday' channel 19 via the Panasonic tuner can and does pixelate and freeze - I think this is Comm 6. All other muxes are nearly or are full strength. When the same channels are looked at via the 2000T the quality is much higher. More an annoyance than anything else. Not worth using an amplifier for.

    | Thu 18 Feb 2016 13:22:54 #22 |
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    bill63 - 10 minutes ago  » 
    I am saying I have got the 4000T, so I know what I am on about. But in your last post you said, Or it may not be the loopthrough - see Graham's post above. Thats what got me as we are talking about it, and I am saying it seems strange that the 4000T as the same problem with signal to the TV.

    Yes, it sounds like the same problem in both models, and very likely the same cause, but what exactly is the cause has not yet been determined. Two possibilities - a bit of experimenting needed to see which fits.

    I can understand the 2000T having issues as this was a retro fit firmware solution. However, the 4000T is a new model so why still this issue - does Humax not learn from its mistakes?

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    bill63 - 2 hours ago  » 
    We have just bought a new BT Youview DTR T2110 and that is made by Humax, and there is no signal loss to the TV at all when you wake the box up out of standby. I cant understand why Humax is having this problem with the loop through on their freeview boxes, when other manufactures don't. Some other boxes do cut off the loop through if they are set to low power mode on standby, but if set to normal they work OK with out signal loss on wake up.

    BT were trying to 'give me' one of those only this morning. They did want me to take out BT TV in exchange though £10 per month. I didn't accept though was tempted (briefly). I would be interested to know what you think of yours and how it performs, boot up speed, EPG etc.

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    bill63 - 10 minutes ago  » 
    I am saying I have got the 4000T, so I know what I am on about. But in your last post you said, Or it may not be the loopthrough - see Graham's post above. Thats what got me as we are talking about it, and I am saying it seems strange that the 4000T as the same problem with signal to the TV.

    Yes, it sounds like the same problem in both models, and very likely the same cause, but what exactly is the cause has not yet been determined. Two possibilities - a bit of experimenting needed to see which fits.

    I can understand the 2000T having issues as this was a retro fit firmware solution. However, the 4000T is a new model so why still this issue - does Humax not learn from its mistakes?

    As the problem has not yet been conclusively diagnosed, it's not yet clear why both models are showing similar symptoms. Not that surprising though.

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    Actually the pass-thru issue is worse than I thought. I had another look at it again today so removed the splitter and re-connected pass-thru (power saving off). When I brought the 2000T out of standby (manually) I not only lost the signal (TV tuned to BBC 1) but video failed to return although audio did.

    I had to toggle inputs in order to get the picture back via the TV tuner. It was never this bad prior to my using a splitter quite some months ago now. I think there has been at least one update since then so given everything else is the same one has to assume another bug has been introduced.

    I would most definitely not buy another 2000T - very poor product.

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    Well at least a splitter works for now on both boxes. To be honest I don't think Humax will ever sort this problem out, and I don't think they are even bothered about it ether.

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    bill63 - 26 minutes ago  » 
    Well at least a splitter works for now on both boxes. To be honest I don't think Humax will ever sort this problem out, and I don't think they are even bothered about it ether.

    I know what you mean - I think at the end of the day the margins are now so tight that there is little finance for extensive R&D.

    I have been reading the thread about the Panny Freeview Play models on DS and TBH the UI doesn't sound like it has moved on much from my HWT 120 and that is a few years old now. It sounds like Freeview Play has just been slapped on the old UI (which is pretty clunky and desperately in need of an update). It may not even be a Panasonic but a badged Vestel as they are now doing with the bottom range of their TVs - the 300 series. Quite shocking that a company like Vestel are making sets for Panasonic.

    Having said that Vestel appear to be making TVs for just about every other manufacturer too. Bottom line is you have no idea whose products you are actually buying these days.

    | Thu 18 Feb 2016 22:58:44 #28 |
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    Faust was asking me what the new BT T2110Youview box was like. Well we bought ours at Argos for £149, but its not bad at all the start up time when not in Eco mode is around 10seconds. There don't seem to be any loop through issues. All catch up services is the same as you get on a PC, unlike Freeview play where My5 is slightly restricted. Picture quality is good.
    The only fall back with it is, the box is fully copy protected which means you can't copy anything onto a DVD recorder or VCR, unlike the 2000T and 4000T were you can copy normal freeview channel onto DVD/VHS through the scart. You cant ether just use the Scart connection ether because it will not let you view HD channels or internet TV, as these can only be viewed by plugging in a HDMI cable. So if your TV as got no HDMI input socket, then it is useless for these type of TV's.

    | Fri 19 Feb 2016 11:29:27 #29 |
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    bill63 - 2 hours ago  » 
    Faust was asking me what the new BT T2110Youview box was like. Well we bought ours at Argos for £149, but its not bad at all the start up time when not in Eco mode is around 10seconds. There don't seem to be any loop through issues. All catch up services is the same as you get on a PC, unlike Freeview play where My5 is slightly restricted. Picture quality is good.
    The only fall back with it is, the box is fully copy protected which means you can't copy anything onto a DVD recorder or VCR, unlike the 2000T and 4000T were you can copy normal freeview channel onto DVD/VHS through the scart. You cant ether just use the Scart connection ether because it will not let you view HD channels or internet TV, as these can only be viewed by plugging in a HDMI cable. So if your TV as got no HDMI input socket, then it is useless for these type of TV's.

    Had you not considered BT TV? I was made an offer by BT for the same box with the Entertainment plus package which had I taken it would have worked out at around two thirds of the price you have paid for the box and after twelve months the box would be mine. In the interim I would also have had the extra channels at no extra cost.

    BTW you can copy programmes off the 2000T straight onto a USB stick and then play back through any appropriate device. You don't need to bother with DVD which is becoming a pretty dead medium.

    | Fri 19 Feb 2016 14:22:26 #30 |

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