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    avalon65
    

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    I went into non freesat mode again, and from Settings it was Transponder/All, then Next, then a submenu or listing of channel type. One said encrypted, and I changed to FTA, the to the next item re channels, I selected TV, then search.

    Around 430 tv channels were found and roughly 60 music channles. It was then back to editing / deleteing the sky channels like Neographic or Sky1 etc also MTV was deleted as well. I was stiull getting the buffer underrun mesage on some channels, but I'll go through them later. I'll also try and make my own listing.

    | Tue 10 Jan 2017 13:45:04 #21 |
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    I have gone through all the TV channels and narrowed it down to just over 200. I note that some channel numbers are duplicated but in some cases the actual channels are also duplicated. Also there are many channels or tv sstations that are duplicated, and I haver started doing a spreadsheet for them.

    | Wed 11 Jan 2017 16:23:35 #22 |
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    avalon65 - 1 hour ago  » 
    I have gone through all the TV channels and narrowed it down to just over 200. I note that some channel numbers are duplicated but in some cases the actual channels are also duplicated. Also there are many channels or tv sstations that are duplicated, and I haver started doing a spreadsheet for them.

    They aren't duplicated, they are different regional variants of the same basic channel (mostly only the local news is different). You have the BBC regional variants on the Freesat epg but not the ITV ones except ITV London. Look at the kingofsat link. Unless you want a different region in addition to the one you have on the Freesat epg there is no point in keeping them.

    | Wed 11 Jan 2017 17:36:21 #23 |
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    Yes I found that there were not strictly duplicates of programs but of the channel name is what I should have said.
    What I will do, sometime is to compare the listing on the Freesat epg to the listing of the non freesat channels I have got now.
    I noticed quite a few shopping channels, as well a the QVC variants.

    | Wed 11 Jan 2017 20:04:19 #24 |
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    avalon65 - 25 minutes ago  » 
    Yes I found that there were not strictly duplicates of programs but of the channel name is what I should have said.
    What I will do, sometime is to compare the listing on the Freesat epg to the listing of the non freesat channels I have got now.
    I noticed quite a few shopping channels, as well a the QVC variants.

    FTA channels join the Freesat epg and leave quite often. Frequently after leaving they cease broadcasting altogether on any satellite platform.

    They often also move transponders or change the transmission paramaters.

    Freesat handles all this automatically in the background. You would have to handle all these changes manually in non freesat (A channel moving transponder or changing broadast parameters would just not work anymore).

    You can spend ages doing this and a week later the situation changes entirely. If you have Excel or a compatible download the auto version of my spreadsheet and look at the workbook that details the changes in channels that happen all the time. To keep up you would have to constantly manually update channels you have stored in non freesat mode.

    Small extract :

    29-Sep-16 Transponder change 503 B4U Music 11265 V to 11479 V
    4-Oct-16 Name changes 153 True Drama to True Ent+ 1, 302 True Movies 1 to True Xmas and 303 True Movies 2 to True Xmas+ 1
    5-Oct-16 Name change 719 Capital FM to Capital
    20-Oct-16 Channel deleted 729 Jazz FM 11685 V
    26-Oct-16 Name change 802 QVC Extra to QVC Christmas
    31-Oct-16 Channel added 162 BLAZE 11082 H and Channel renamed 506 Heart TV to Heart Xmas
    10-Nov-16 Name Change 513 NOW Music to NOW XMAS
    17-Nov-16 Transponder Change 510 Magic 11426 V to 12304 H
    24-Nov-16 411 Fashion One deleted from 11685 V
    1-Dec-16 Transponder change 208 Bloomberg TV 11685 V to 11082 H, 609 POP MAX changed to Tiny Pop +1
    3-Jan-17 Name Change 211 CCTV-NEWS to CGTN
    5-Jan-17 Name Changes 302 True Xmas to True Movies, 303 True Xmas +1 to True Movies +1, 506 Heart Xmas to Heart TV, 513 NOW XMAS to Now 80's and QVC Christmas to QVC Extra
    10-Jan-17 Transponder change 11953 H to 11493 H 801 QVC Beauty, 802 QVC Extra and 803 QVC Style

    | Wed 11 Jan 2017 20:38:55 #25 |
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    Blimey, yes I take your point; so more or less a wasted exersise then. I don't want to view the non freesat channels that bad, lol.

    Oh and thanks for your input and time.

    | Thu 12 Jan 2017 11:08:36 #26 |

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