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    grahamlthompson - 6 hours ago  » 

    Faust - 16 minutes ago  » 
    I have the earlier model - the 1000s. Mine is now 4 years old and TBH faults are what I read about on this forum as my own has been pretty fault free (touch wood). I would agree the UI could be cleaner though and it's not for want of asking Freesat either.
    I can't agree with Geoff_T point of view though about the Fox T2 being a better operating system though. For me it would be like trading in the latest Fiesta for an old Escort. Do we really want to be looking back?

    I am with Geoff-T the HDR-FOX-T2 especially with the custom firmware is a lot more user friendly. At least you can display recordings in date/time order consistantly. The G2 media list display is an inconsistant disaster. Try recording something like Father Brown with multiple series using the same series crid and with episode numbers. When episode numbers are present lowest irrespective of date goes to the top of the list, so in the above example you get Series 1 Episode 1 top of the list followed Series 2 Episode 1 etc. Without episode numbers order is reversed on same day when two programmes recorded. Then you have the broadcasters inconsistantly using episode numbers and then not or resetting the episode numbers on long running programmes. It's utterly ridicolous all it needs is a sort on earliest date and earliest times on that date.
    Then there is the annoying loss of resume if you watch in chasing playback and quit before the recording has finished, this works on all other Humax pvrs I have owned.

    Ah! Raydon's firmware is a different proposition. Now we are talking about trading in a new Fiesta for a souped up Escort.

    I also understand exactly what you mean regarding the way the 1000s presents series. It infuriates me too. However, it's not the only one that can me series confusing. We have also recorded series 5 then series 4 of Father Brown on our Panasonic and that too is something of a dogs dinner.

    I like how our BT Youview box does series. At the right hand side it lists 'watched' 'not watched' and in the next column the date of each recording so very easy to follow.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 0:34:22 #11 |
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    Geoff_T - 6 hours ago  » 

    Faust - 39 minutes ago  » 
    I have the earlier model - the 1000s. Mine is now 4 years old and TBH faults are what I read about on this forum as my own has been pretty fault free (touch wood). I would agree the UI could be cleaner though and it's not for want of asking Freesat either.
    I can't agree with Geoff_T point of view though about the Fox T2 being a better operating system though. For me it would be like trading in the latest Fiesta for an old Escort. Do we really want to be looking back?

    Your analogy presumes that the new is an improvement on the old. In the car world that is generally true, but it certainly isn't in this case. I couldn't believe how bad and unintuitive the operating system was on the 1100s. I came from a Sky box and the 1100s was a massive step backwards from that. The T2 with custom firmware is a step forward even though it's older.

    Again I have to disagree. I too came from a Sky+ box and found the 1000s a big improvement from all the bugs we used to have with our both our Sky+ boxes (two different models).

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 0:38:01 #12 |
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    Faust - 10 hours ago  » 

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    Faust - 39 minutes ago  » 
    I have the earlier model - the 1000s. Mine is now 4 years old and TBH faults are what I read about on this forum as my own has been pretty fault free (touch wood). I would agree the UI could be cleaner though and it's not for want of asking Freesat either.
    I can't agree with Geoff_T point of view though about the Fox T2 being a better operating system though. For me it would be like trading in the latest Fiesta for an old Escort. Do we really want to be looking back?

    Your analogy presumes that the new is an improvement on the old. In the car world that is generally true, but it certainly isn't in this case. I couldn't believe how bad and unintuitive the operating system was on the 1100s. I came from a Sky box and the 1100s was a massive step backwards from that. The T2 with custom firmware is a step forward even though it's older.

    Again I have to disagree. I too came from a Sky+ box and found the 1000s a big improvement from all the bugs we used to have with our both our Sky+ boxes (two different models).

    I'm not talking about bugs, although my 1100s had plenty of those, I'm talking about the way the system operates. I found the 1100s very unintuitive and long winded. It seems they made a conscious decision not to use the coloured buttons on the remote for anything in the menus. This means almost every action requires more button presses than the equivalent on Sky. A good example is simply deleting the program you have just watched on planner. It's one button press on the yellow button on Sky, but several on the 1100s (OK,down,down,select,confirm IIRC). To be fair, the HDR FOX T2 isn't much better for that but elsewhere it's menu system is much clearer and more intuitive than the 1100s in my opinion. The 1100s system has the feel of being designed to look pretty ahead of being usable. A perfect example of style over substance.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 11:24:40 #13 |
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    Faust - 10 hours ago  » 

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    Faust - 16 minutes ago  » 
    I have the earlier model - the 1000s. Mine is now 4 years old and TBH faults are what I read about on this forum as my own has been pretty fault free (touch wood). I would agree the UI could be cleaner though and it's not for want of asking Freesat either.
    I can't agree with Geoff_T point of view though about the Fox T2 being a better operating system though. For me it would be like trading in the latest Fiesta for an old Escort. Do we really want to be looking back?

    I am with Geoff-T the HDR-FOX-T2 especially with the custom firmware is a lot more user friendly. At least you can display recordings in date/time order consistantly. The G2 media list display is an inconsistant disaster. Try recording something like Father Brown with multiple series using the same series crid and with episode numbers. When episode numbers are present lowest irrespective of date goes to the top of the list, so in the above example you get Series 1 Episode 1 top of the list followed Series 2 Episode 1 etc. Without episode numbers order is reversed on same day when two programmes recorded. Then you have the broadcasters inconsistantly using episode numbers and then not or resetting the episode numbers on long running programmes. It's utterly ridicolous all it needs is a sort on earliest date and earliest times on that date.
    Then there is the annoying loss of resume if you watch in chasing playback and quit before the recording has finished, this works on all other Humax pvrs I have owned.

    I like how our BT Youview box does series. At the right hand side it lists 'watched' 'not watched' and in the next column the date of each recording so very easy to follow.

    You need the time as well as the date. It's OK when there is only one ocurrence on a day, difficult when there are two.

    If you record something like Emmerdale (no episode numbers) the order is reversed latest at top oldest at bottom, if episode numbers are present oldest top newest bottom. The latter is obviously sensible as you would normally want to watch the oldest unwatched.

    The old Foxsat gets it right, it tells you Date Time and Duration. None of this today yesterday nonsense and you can display in the sensible order.

    I have set a recording for Tipping Point ITV-HD 16:00 today to check if I can replicate the resume issue. Intend to watch for the recording to start, start play back for about 10 mins and stop playback. Then turn off TV till after recording has completed and look what playback options are offered. On reflection sometimes I may have left playback enabled when the actual programme content had finished.

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    Geoff_T -

    I'm not talking about bugs, although my 1100s had plenty of those, I'm talking about the way the system operates. I found the 1100s very unintuitive and long winded. It seems they made a conscious decision not to use the coloured buttons on the remote for anything in the menus. This means almost every action requires more button presses than the equivalent on Sky. A good example is simply deleting the program you have just watched on planner. It's one button press on the yellow button on Sky, but several on the 1100s (OK,down,down,select,confirm IIRC). To be fair, the HDR FOX T2 isn't much better for that but elsewhere it's menu system is much clearer and more intuitive than the 1100s in my opinion. The 1100s system has the feel of being designed to look pretty ahead of being usable. A perfect example of style over substance.

    I hear what you say and some of this is true. However, the one button press (yellow) on the Sky box was/is in my opinion not a good thing. I can't tell you how many times the wrong programme was deleted by accident when we had Sky. The 'are you sure' prompt is a much better fail safe device IMO. You can have the one button delete on our Youview box or you can opt fro a 'prompt' as well. I have set mine up for the additional 'prompt'.

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    I have set a recording for Tipping Point ITV-HD 16:00 today to check if I can replicate the resume issue. Intend to watch for the recording to start, start play back for about 10 mins and stop playback. Then turn off TV till after recording has completed and look what playback options are offered. On reflection sometimes I may have left playback enabled when the actual programme content had finished.

    What I find if I start to watch a recorded programme with the 1000s whilst it is still recording is that when I go back into the recordings section the recording circle is still 'full moon' indicating not watched.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 12:07:46 #16 |
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    You need the time as well as the date. It's OK when there is only one occurrence on a day, difficult when there are two.

    Actually with the Youview recordings planner if you move the cursor over any of the recordings then besides watched/not watched and date an info icon becomes active. This then provides further info i.e. date, time, which series, episode number and brief prog summary.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 12:18:51 #17 |
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    Faust - 8 minutes ago  » 

    Geoff_T -

    I'm not talking about bugs, although my 1100s had plenty of those, I'm talking about the way the system operates. I found the 1100s very unintuitive and long winded. It seems they made a conscious decision not to use the coloured buttons on the remote for anything in the menus. This means almost every action requires more button presses than the equivalent on Sky. A good example is simply deleting the program you have just watched on planner. It's one button press on the yellow button on Sky, but several on the 1100s (OK,down,down,select,confirm IIRC). To be fair, the HDR FOX T2 isn't much better for that but elsewhere it's menu system is much clearer and more intuitive than the 1100s in my opinion. The 1100s system has the feel of being designed to look pretty ahead of being usable. A perfect example of style over substance.
    I hear what you say and some of this is true. However, the one button press (yellow) on the Sky box was/is in my opinion not a good thing. I can't tell you how many times the wrong programme was deleted by accident when we had Sky. The 'are you sure' prompt is a much better fail safe device IMO. You can have the one button delete on our Youview box or you can opt fro a 'prompt' as well. I have set mine up for the additional 'prompt'.

    But if you deleted the wrong program on Sky it is not a problem because it just goes into the deleted area and can be retrieved. That is the perfect solution I think - make it easy to do, but reversible. I've added a [deleted] folder on my HDR using the custom firmware for just that reason. You can set how long they stay there before actually being deleted.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 12:21:31 #18 |
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    Geoff_T - 34 minutes ago  » 

    Faust - 8 minutes ago  » 

    Geoff_T -

    I'm not talking about bugs, although my 1100s had plenty of those, I'm talking about the way the system operates. I found the 1100s very unintuitive and long winded. It seems they made a conscious decision not to use the coloured buttons on the remote for anything in the menus. This means almost every action requires more button presses than the equivalent on Sky. A good example is simply deleting the program you have just watched on planner. It's one button press on the yellow button on Sky, but several on the 1100s (OK,down,down,select,confirm IIRC). To be fair, the HDR FOX T2 isn't much better for that but elsewhere it's menu system is much clearer and more intuitive than the 1100s in my opinion. The 1100s system has the feel of being designed to look pretty ahead of being usable. A perfect example of style over substance.
    I hear what you say and some of this is true. However, the one button press (yellow) on the Sky box was/is in my opinion not a good thing. I can't tell you how many times the wrong programme was deleted by accident when we had Sky. The 'are you sure' prompt is a much better fail safe device IMO. You can have the one button delete on our Youview box or you can opt fro a 'prompt' as well. I have set mine up for the additional 'prompt'.

    But if you deleted the wrong program on Sky it is not a problem because it just goes into the deleted area and can be retrieved. That is the perfect solution I think - make it easy to do, but reversible. I've added a [deleted] folder on my HDR using the custom firmware for just that reason. You can set how long they stay there before actually being deleted.

    That was only on the later boxes. It didn't work on our old 'silver' Sky+ box. When it was gone it was gone.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 12:56:09 #19 |
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    Faust - 54 minutes ago  » 
    

    I have set a recording for Tipping Point ITV-HD 16:00 today to check if I can replicate the resume issue. Intend to watch for the recording to start, start play back for about 10 mins and stop playback. Then turn off TV till after recording has completed and look what playback options are offered. On reflection sometimes I may have left playback enabled when the actual programme content had finished.

    
    What I find if I start to watch a recorded programme with the 1000s whilst it is still recording is that when I go back into the recordings section the recording circle is still 'full moon' indicating not watched.

    Graham, why are you looking to see what playback options are offered, that is a complete waste of time, the circle will be full as Faust has said and there will be no option available to resume the recording. That is not being disputed.

    As I said before don't bother to press OK just highlight the recording in the list and press the PLAY button and it will resume every time . It isn't that difficult.

    | Sat 11 Feb 2017 13:04:57 #20 |

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