Does a 2Tb drive slow the hdr1100s compared with 1Tb or 500Gb? Also can I plug in external hard drives to store movies? I assume I can watch only on the device they were recorded on, is that right? So if I record in hd I can watch on 4K tv? Back to original question, which 65” tv is best for upscaling?
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Which 65” tv for fox sat hdr or upgrade
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| Sun 24 Nov 2019 4:41:26 #21 |
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Yes of course. The TV will upscale if neccessarybob793 - 7 hours ago » So if I record in hd I can watch on 4K tv?
Back to original question, which 65” tv is best for upscaling?
There are a load of parameters of a TV that are more important than its upscaling. Stop worrying about upscaling. It just works. I doubt if you would see much difference (due to upscaling alone) between any of the large TVs. There will be a much more pronounced differences due to other factors such as screen technology and even how the sets are set up.
The usual question is "What upscales better, the box or the TV?" The answer is that "if you can't tell the difference they are both the same and why are you asking".| Sun 24 Nov 2019 11:52:14 #22 | -
bob793 - 7 hours ago »
Does a 2Tb drive slow the hdr1100s compared with 1Tb or 500Gb? Also can I plug in external hard drives to store movies? I assume I can watch only on the device they were recorded on, is that right? So if I record in hd I can watch on 4K tv? Back to original question, which 65” tv is best for upscaling?There's no noticable speed difference with a 2TB drive compared to a smaller one. There might be a small difference in the population of the recordings list if you make lots and lots of small recordings. The HDR-1100S will perform as a media player for most popular video file containers (like .mp4 and .ts), stored on a USB mass storage device.. However like most devices it produces slightly jerky pictures with 24 fps content as it uses drop frame to output at 60 Hz.
http://www.aftvnews.com/explanation-of-the-new-frame-rate-matching-feature-on-the-amazon-fire-tv/
If you give a 4K TV a signal with less pixels than the display panel including a full-HD signal. A 4K display pixel wise is the equivalent of 4 Full - HD displays stacked 2 wide and 2 deep. So the TV has to quadruple the number of pixels to fill the screen. Only if given a 2160p signal will the TV not scale up the source.
As to the best look for reviews of the best 2010 OLED and QLED TV's.
| Sun 24 Nov 2019 12:19:13 #23 | -
I understand the sd/hd/4K pixel thing and am working on the assumption that I could use an hdr1100s recording in 1080p and playback on a 4K tv in a similar way to how I record in sd on foxsat and playback on a 1080p tv. There are hdr1100s 2Tb on eBay for around £210 but they are 500Gb models that have been upgraded with a 2Tb hard drive. Are they likely to be slower or have any other difficulties or drawbacks compared with a £279 new one besides the guarantee? I know I’ll be annoyed if arris releases Freesat g3 box just after I buy hdr1100s but can’t find any information about when they are going to release them or what features they will have or what price they’ll be. My next plan of action is to take a foxsat to curry’s and ask if I can see what their TVs look like with sd and hd recorded content. (I know it’s 720 and not 1080) Reviews point to lgoled65pla but I thought other TVs looked better showing demos in curry’s and also with what was showing on freeview in Richer Sounds.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 0:57:35 #24 | -
GLT answered that question above. Did you not read his post?bob793 - 8 hours ago » There are hdr1100s 2Tb on eBay for around £210 but they are 500Gb models that have been upgraded with a 2Tb hard drive. Are they likely to be slower or have any other difficulties or drawbacks compared with a £279 new one besides the guarantee?
My next plan of action is to take a foxsat to curry’s and ask if I can see what their TVs look like with sd and hd recorded content. (I know it’s 720 and not 1080)
Are you sure it's 720 not 1080?| Mon 25 Nov 2019 9:47:43 #25 | -
I read glt reply about 2Tb speed. I’m now asking if a 500Gb box with 2Tb drive (eBay seller refurbished) will be the same as a box that’s 2Tb from humax. Is the drive the only difference in hdr1100s models?
Yes, 720p foxsat hdr bought 2008.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 10:27:05 #26 | -
bob793 - 10 hours ago »
I understand the sd/hd/4K pixel thing and am working on the assumption that I could use an hdr1100s recording in 1080p and playback on a 4K tv in a similar way to how I record in sd on foxsat and playback on a 1080p tv. There are hdr1100s 2Tb on eBay for around £210 but they are 500Gb models that have been upgraded with a 2Tb hard drive. Are they likely to be slower or have any other difficulties or drawbacks compared with a £279 new one besides the guarantee? I know I’ll be annoyed if arris releases Freesat g3 box just after I buy hdr1100sbut can’t find any information about when they are going to release them or what features they will have or what price they’ll be. My next plan of action is to take a foxsat to curry’s and ask if I can see what their TVs look like with sd and hd recorded content. (I know it’s 720 and not 1080) Reviews point to lgoled65pla but I thought other TVs looked better showing demos in curry’s and also with what was showing on freeview in Richer Sounds.
Freesat-HD is full-HD 1920 x 1080 interlaced. Freeview-HD can use both 1080i and 1080p25. Selecting 1080p output deinterlaces to produce a progressive signal and frame doubles from 25fps to 50fps. So the TV gets 1080p50. That is likely to be the best option for a 4K TV.
There are no broadcast sources for 720p which is 1280 x 720 at 50 fps (720p50). There are streaming sources that use 720p25.
The Arris box will not change this except it may offer scaling to 4K. As the TV also does this it's anyones guess which device will have the best scaler.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 11:39:33 #27 | -
bob793 - 1 hour ago »
I read glt reply about 2Tb speed. I’m now asking if a 500Gb box with 2Tb drive (eBay seller refurbished) will be the same as a box that’s 2Tb from humax. Is the drive the only difference in hdr1100s models?
Yes, 720p foxsat hdr bought 2008.There is no such thing as a 720p Foxsat-HDR. HD is Full-HD 1920 x 1080 interlaced. The Foxsat lacks the option to output 1080p50 though it can de-interlace and scale down to create 720p50 from the 1920 x 1080 source signal.
Note the G2 boxes have a very noticeable superior HD picture to the Foxsat.
A G2 box with a 2TB drive installed, is identical to a Humax supplied 2TB unit. If the drive fitted is the same as the Seagate pipeline Humax used they will have identical performance.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 11:45:16 #28 | -
Thanks for clear, definite answer on refurbished vs factory. Freeview is not an option in this part of Cornwall unless I do like my neighbour and have a 100 foot mast in the garden. If the foxsat hdr outputs 720p I think it’s reasonable to describe it as a 720p foxsat hdr but I take your point about interlacing and scaling. ie I know it’s 720 not 1080. My Apple TV might record in 1080 but I’ve never used it for recording before. If I figure out how to do that I could take it and foxsat to showrooms. I’m considering Sony Kd65xf9005 which I know is older technology than OLED but I thought the picture looked better in the shop and it’s £1299 compared to £1999 for LG oled65c9pla. That’s only viewing currys 4K demo, I’ve not taken any recorded content with me and don’t know if they will allow me to do that. Also don’t know if I can find the Sony Kd65xf9005 locally yet.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 19:25:50 #29 | -
bob793 - 1 hour ago »
Thanks for clear, definite answer on refurbished vs factory. Freeview is not an option in this part of Cornwall unless I do like my neighbour and have a 100 foot mast in the garden. If the foxsat hdr outputs 720p I think it’s reasonable to describe it as a 720p foxsat hdr but I take your point about interlacing and scaling. ie I know it’s 720 not 1080. My Apple TV might record in 1080 but I’ve never used it for recording before. If I figure out how to do that I could take it and foxsat to showrooms. I’m considering Sony Kd65xf9005 which I know is older technology than OLED but I thought the picture looked better in the shop and it’s £1299 compared to £1999 for LG oled65c9pla. That’s only viewing currys 4K demo, I’ve not taken any recorded content with me and don’t know if they will allow me to do that. Also don’t know if I can find the Sony Kd65xf9005 locally yet.It's not reasonable. The box like all current Humax boxes can convert the original source content to 720p if you want. If you have a full-HD TV with a panel with 1920 x 1080 pixels why would you want to ? It's for the very few (mostly Plasma displays that actually had a 1280 x 720 panel. There are non around anymore. Afaik all current Full-HD TV's have 1920 x 1080 panels.
This is what is in a actual BBC1-HD recording file ( It's a Strictly Come dancing recording). I have highlighted the specific information and added comments. The whole lot is included in a .ts (transport stream) container but the actual format is .m2ts (bluray standard). If it was possible to get at the same info using a G2 box it would be identical (It's the same broadcast so the same data is recorded to the hard disk).
General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : D:\Strictly2019\Strictly Come Dancing_20191123_1903.ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 4.00 GiB
Duration : 1 h 8 min
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 8 366 kb/s
FileExtension_Invalid : m2ts mts ssifVideo
ID : 5400 (0x1518)
Menu ID : 6941 (0x1B1D)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=8, N=24
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1 h 8 min
Bit rate : 7 574 kb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : MBAFFInterlaced - not progressive
Scan type, store method : Interleaved fields
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.146
Stream size : 3.62 GiB (91%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709Audio #1 - Main Audio Track (AC3- aka Dolby Digital)
ID : 5401 (0x1519)
Menu ID : 6941 (0x1B1D)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 1 h 8 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels - Stereo
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -745 ms
Stream size : 93.9 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Service kind : Complete MainAudio #2 - Secondary Audio described Audio mpeg1 layer 2
ID : 5402 (0x151A)
Menu ID : 6941 (0x1B1D)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 1 h 8 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 256 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels - Stereo
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -644 ms
Stream size : 125 MiB (3%)
Language : narText - DVB - Subtitles for the Deaf
ID : 5404 (0x151C)
Menu ID : 6941 (0x1B1D)
Format : DVB Subtitle
Codec ID : 6
Duration : 1 h 8 min
Delay relative to video : 6 s 140 ms
Language : EnglishOther -
ID : 5403 (0x151B)-888
Menu ID : 6941 (0x1B1D)
Format : Teletext
Language : EnglishThere is no 720p content at all. All Humax boxes can downscale to 1280 x 720. If you have a full-HD TV you would be mad to use it, even more so with a 2160p TV.
| Mon 25 Nov 2019 21:51:20 #30 |
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